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	<title>Comments on: Competetive Multiplayer Achievements suck, and Gamerscore should be removed</title>
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		<title>By: sindri</title>
		<link>http://www.stum.de/2008/11/30/competetive-multiplayer-achievements-suck-and-gamerscore-should-be-removed/comment-page-1/#comment-14638</link>
		<dc:creator>sindri</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Feb 2010 20:49:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>it is true,gamescore serves the purpose to make douchebags feel that they are &quot;leet&quot;,just because of higher number(truly ridiculus)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>it is true,gamescore serves the purpose to make douchebags feel that they are "leet",just because of higher number(truly ridiculus)</p>
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		<title>By: joe</title>
		<link>http://www.stum.de/2008/11/30/competetive-multiplayer-achievements-suck-and-gamerscore-should-be-removed/comment-page-1/#comment-8095</link>
		<dc:creator>joe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Jul 2009 16:36:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>dude you are so right, and in most unreasonable games the achievements are all campaign and it means nothing, but that you have done the campaign.  If you play a game for achievments, you are playing it for the wrong reasons.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>dude you are so right, and in most unreasonable games the achievements are all campaign and it means nothing, but that you have done the campaign.  If you play a game for achievments, you are playing it for the wrong reasons.</p>
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		<title>By: Confessions of a Whore &#171; Agoners</title>
		<link>http://www.stum.de/2008/11/30/competetive-multiplayer-achievements-suck-and-gamerscore-should-be-removed/comment-page-1/#comment-7982</link>
		<dc:creator>Confessions of a Whore &#171; Agoners</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Jul 2009 10:30:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] for the reasons explained here and in my previous take on Achievements (and also covered in an excellent post on Not Rocket Science too), my friend here was actively engaged in this meta-game and clearly deriving fun from it. I got the [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] for the reasons explained here and in my previous take on Achievements (and also covered in an excellent post on Not Rocket Science too), my friend here was actively engaged in this meta-game and clearly deriving fun from it. I got the [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Rik - Remy77077</title>
		<link>http://www.stum.de/2008/11/30/competetive-multiplayer-achievements-suck-and-gamerscore-should-be-removed/comment-page-1/#comment-7925</link>
		<dc:creator>Rik - Remy77077</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Jul 2009 15:05:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>...coming back to this one as I was recently thinking further (&amp; writing more) about Achievements; I&#039;d nitpick one small point with this post. And that&#039;s with regards to the &quot;win 100 ranked matches online&quot; kind of achievements. Whilst the point you make about &quot;3 matches&quot; being a reasonable number for GoW2 and any higher would simply reward grinding, it&#039;s not always so clearcut.
With some games, especially online vs fighting games, a much higher target number is actually a better idea, because whilst they still don&#039;t reflect real skill, they actually become increasingly likely to do so - because while someone can get them by grinding and/or boosting methods, the high total number means they are actually less likely to bother to do so. Also, the high total numbers can keep an online community for a game alive longer that it might otherwise would for a niche game.

Otherwise.. I still agree with everything here ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>...coming back to this one as I was recently thinking further (&amp; writing more) about Achievements; I'd nitpick one small point with this post. And that's with regards to the "win 100 ranked matches online" kind of achievements. Whilst the point you make about "3 matches" being a reasonable number for GoW2 and any higher would simply reward grinding, it's not always so clearcut.<br />
With some games, especially online vs fighting games, a much higher target number is actually a better idea, because whilst they still don't reflect real skill, they actually become increasingly likely to do so - because while someone can get them by grinding and/or boosting methods, the high total number means they are actually less likely to bother to do so. Also, the high total numbers can keep an online community for a game alive longer that it might otherwise would for a niche game.</p>
<p>Otherwise.. I still agree with everything here <img src='http://www.stum.de/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: baconator</title>
		<link>http://www.stum.de/2008/11/30/competetive-multiplayer-achievements-suck-and-gamerscore-should-be-removed/comment-page-1/#comment-3431</link>
		<dc:creator>baconator</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Mar 2009 23:41:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>does anyone else think 200g is far to low for a majority of the xbox live arcade games? 

some of them could EASILY have 1000g worth of achievements...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>does anyone else think 200g is far to low for a majority of the xbox live arcade games? </p>
<p>some of them could EASILY have 1000g worth of achievements...</p>
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		<title>By: LambofGodxAMF</title>
		<link>http://www.stum.de/2008/11/30/competetive-multiplayer-achievements-suck-and-gamerscore-should-be-removed/comment-page-1/#comment-1869</link>
		<dc:creator>LambofGodxAMF</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Jan 2009 16:30:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i mean cant be boosted</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i mean cant be boosted</p>
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		<title>By: LambofGodxAMF</title>
		<link>http://www.stum.de/2008/11/30/competetive-multiplayer-achievements-suck-and-gamerscore-should-be-removed/comment-page-1/#comment-1868</link>
		<dc:creator>LambofGodxAMF</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Jan 2009 16:28:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>this post is ok, tho i think that getting certain achievements in games means your good at it, because wen you want to get say.. beating TTFATF in GH3 takes alot of skill, really most achievements mean skill, at least the ones that can be boosted.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>this post is ok, tho i think that getting certain achievements in games means your good at it, because wen you want to get say.. beating TTFATF in GH3 takes alot of skill, really most achievements mean skill, at least the ones that can be boosted.</p>
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		<title>By: mstum</title>
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		<dc:creator>mstum</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Dec 2008 19:19:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Normally yes, but I also like to pick up some arcade games, and I was just really interested in HD Remix when I saw that they were actually trying to not port it, but to really improve it. I like companies that take old games and remake them, but not just shoddy Quick-Cash remakes, but some really well-thought ones that really show that they want to improve the game.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Normally yes, but I also like to pick up some arcade games, and I was just really interested in HD Remix when I saw that they were actually trying to not port it, but to really improve it. I like companies that take old games and remake them, but not just shoddy Quick-Cash remakes, but some really well-thought ones that really show that they want to improve the game.</p>
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		<title>By: Rik</title>
		<link>http://www.stum.de/2008/11/30/competetive-multiplayer-achievements-suck-and-gamerscore-should-be-removed/comment-page-1/#comment-1332</link>
		<dc:creator>Rik</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Dec 2008 17:44:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Another good post, thank you for the trackback. :) I agree that the image on my blog is rather innappropriate - I didn&#039;t make it, but found it searching for pictures.. and I just couldn&#039;t resist using it though!

I completely agree with you regarding Gears 2&#039;s Achievements. 

I&#039;m surprised you are playing SF2 HD Remix though, I gathered you were mainly an rpg player, or at least more single-player games.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another good post, thank you for the trackback. <img src='http://www.stum.de/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  I agree that the image on my blog is rather innappropriate - I didn't make it, but found it searching for pictures.. and I just couldn't resist using it though!</p>
<p>I completely agree with you regarding Gears 2's Achievements. </p>
<p>I'm surprised you are playing SF2 HD Remix though, I gathered you were mainly an rpg player, or at least more single-player games.</p>
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